May 2nd, 2007
Researchers discover first gene that specifically links calorie restriction to longevity
In studies going back to the 1930’s, mice and many other species subsisting on a severely calorie-restricted diet have consistently outlived their well-fed peers by as much as 40 percent. But just how a diet verging on the brink of starvation extends lifespan has remained elusive.
physorg.com/news97331233.html
Researchers discover first gene that specifically links calorie restriction to longevity
In studies going back to the 1930’s, mice and many other species subsisting on a severely calorie-restricted diet have consistently outlived their well-fed peers by as much as 40 percent. But just how a diet verging on the brink of starvation extends lifespan has remained elusive.
physorg.com/news97331233.html
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Re: life-extesion breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Fri, May 4, 2007 - 3:24 PMthank you dimi :-)
The Benefits of Fasting: Longevity
www.chycho.com/
News: Researchers discover first gene that specifically links calorie restriction to longevity - “The potential payoff for cutting to 60 percent of normal while maintaining a healthy diet rich in vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients, is huge. Currently it is the only strategy apart from direct genetic manipulation that consistently prolongs life and reduces the risk of cancer, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease, while staving off age-related neurodegeneration in laboratory animals from mice to monkeys.”
I can personally attest to the amount of energy gained by fasting. I am presently in my fourth day of The Master Cleanse and feel extremely focussed and energetic while feeling no hunger. It is the third time that I am conducting this ritual and have decided to make it a regular routine in my life. I have come to believe that just like a car, the body also requires a regular tune-up. Two of the main lessons that I have learned from fasting are that in our society we consume too much food, and that to cleanse the body of impurities fasting must be incorporated into a healthy life style.
This scientific research confirms the belief from many philosophies and religions, from Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Shaman, and many others, that fasting is an integral part of a healthy life. -
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 6:01 AMHAH! Just now noticed my typo: life-exte(n)sion.
Thank you too chycho ;-)
Yeah, fasting has indeed been an integral part of most religions of the world. Curious that there's all this commotion relatively recently about fasting and life-extension. There's much ancient wisdom floating around out there that goes mostly unnoticed. I've heard of the master cleanse and wish to conduct one as well. I checked out the link on your site, but could you perhaps tell me more about it and how you control your hunger for one? Is it tough? I'd like my parents to do a cleanse and fast as well. They need it more than I do, since degenerative signs have been manifesting for a while...
I've been compiling a long list of articles all to do with cleanses and beneficial compounds for some years, and I am somewhat familiar with the healing qualities of certain compounds such as cayenne pepper, cinnamon, macadamia nut oil, blueberries etc. A salt flush (with olive oil) seems quite effective for various reasons. Liver flush, gal bladder flush... Then there's the coffee enema. Never done one before, but this seems like an essential step in terms of getting your digestive system optimised in conjunction with a fast. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?
It seems that the true link to preventing and/or curing practically all modern-day conditions and diseases and to guarantee a long healthy life is blood pH. Western medical professionals in general will not tell you this. The simple key to balancing *everything* within our bodies is quite literally blood pH. Most people's blood is too acidic, which is what sets the stage for a compromised immune system and consequently practically all possible negative health effects known to man... The key to preventing and offsetting this is to actively alkalise the blood. This can be achieved (primarily) through dietary choices in conjunction with (secondary) moderate exercise. Exercise is a crucial component as the lymph system (which is part of the immune system) has no other means of circulating than through bodily movement (muscular activity). A somewhat sloppy yet effective means by which to eyeball your general pH is by examining your urine. Cloudy/dark urine is a clear sign of a poor overall urine pH. Drinking lots of water helps to maintain overall proper pH levels (blood and urine) as this aids the body in the process of expelling toxins. I had a case of kidney stones once, at which point my urine pH was measured at a whopping low 2 (acidic). Dehydration in conjunction with stress and poor diet will do that to you. After a few days of intense hydration, I managed to get it up to five, but it took potassium citrate supplements to get it up and beyond 8 (which helped in dissolving the stones). Optimal urine pH is set at around 8 (alkaline). Please make a note of it.
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 1:29 PMAwesome info dimi, I didn’t know about the PH but it does make sense. If you’ve ever been around pools, the main thing to keep track of is the PH level, mainly because if it gets too low then it will corrode the pipes. Guess it works the same with our body. I will look into this further.
As for the master cleanse, I’m new at it. This was only my third time and I just broke it this morning. So that’s 4 days. I stopped not because I was feeling hungry but because my experiment was not achieving what I had hoped. I started introducing Salvia Tea to the cleanse last night but the effects were milder then I had hoped so I decided to break the fast and do it again at a later date with a build up of Salvia tea before the cleanse begins. I had planned on taking this one to 6 days.
As for the hunger aspect, it’s only prevalent during the first day and it’s a mild hunger at that. It’s amazing really and puts things into perspective. One thing to keep in mind is that after three days the body starts to consume muscle mass so it’s a good idea to make sure that you start this slowly. The hard core master cleansers out their say that anything less then 10 days is no where near as efficient but I like to take things slowly when I am experimenting - well usually anyway
I recommend that you do a lot of research and ask specific questions in forums for guidance about this. The most important thing to remember is to break the fast slowly if you are doing it for a long period since the digestive system goes into hibernation and you can do damage if you are not careful.
Here is a trip reported I posted on tribe about my experience breaking the master cleanse with some Brazilian Cubensis and Salvia Divinorum … it was a fun ride
tribes.tribe.net/psychedel...3bfc3e9463
(I had also posted this on the Psychonauts tribe and there was some great info posted there in reply to this trip report about fasting and cleanses but unfortunately I can not find the link anymore)
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Wed, May 9, 2007 - 8:08 AMhey dimi3 - I found that I got over the actual physical hunger pretty fast (um, quickly!) but I'd guess we're all probably different.
Regarding that study, my understanding was that rather than being a fast where one wasn't consuming calories or much nutrition (depending on whether one's on a water fast or a juice one) what was studied here was being on a very low calorie but highly nutritious diet. It was also my understanding that the effects were pretty much negated as soon as more calories were consumed again. I could be wrong since I'm working from memory here but it seemed like it might be relevant to mention when discussing how the study applies to fasting. -
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Thu, May 10, 2007 - 5:44 AMHey Fifi, thanks for that.
It makes perfect sense to restrict one's over all calorie consumption over a life time and concentrate on a highly nutritious diet. I can see how this has a far greater positive impact than sporadic fasts...
From everything that I've read thus far about fasts, it seems that if one performs one or two of them a year, one is still 'supposed' to render positive 'life-extending' results. The to_be_expected effects depend on what kind of fast is being conducted I figure. It seems logical to assume that one could negate the positive effects by over-indulging afterwards. A common phenomenon with folks who go on a diet to lose weight is that they soon afterward get comfortable and slip back into their old habit of over-indulgence. In this case, I'm not sure if it makes a difference to even bother "oscillating" indeed ;-)
One other important aspect of fasting is of course the detoxification aspect, which in and of itself has significant health benefits. One could also detoxify without going on a fast, and again there are many different types of approaches to this as well. But from what I've gathered, it seems most effective to combine the two (or three if you add a cleanse, or four if you add exercise). I haven't done a *real* fast yet myself. I did try a juice fast a long time ago, but I didn't pull through completely. I remember the head aches quite vividly ;-)
So how long did you fast for? Did you do anything to combat your hunger? How 'bout them headaches? And did you combine it with a cleanse and/or a detoxification process of any sort? Any info is much appreciated
Chycho, the pH analogy with swimming pools is interesting. The "plumbing" in our bodies requires a more alkaline than acidic pH. An acidic 'environment' promotes the growth of bacteria, for one. Part of what sets in motion the immune system condition of diabetes is a too acidic blood pH environment (usually as a result of poor diet in combination with poor exercise). Acidic blood pH allows certain bacteria to flourish. These bacteria then begin to attach themselves to, for one, our pancreas' beta cells. When covered with these bacteria, our body no longer recognises these as beta cells and consequently our immune system attacks and destroys them. As the beta cells get impaired and/or destroyed, we become dependent on exogenous insulin supplements. It's a vicious cycle, but this condition is completely reversible, as many other "modern age" conditions are. The key to understanding the under laying mechanism behind a lot of these modern day (poor diet) conditions is blood pH, which can be optimised through proper dietary and exercise choices. Drinking lots of water is absolutely crucial.
Alkaline environments on the other hand destroy sensitive -electronic- equipment ;-)
Some potentially life extending dietary restrictions include: avoiding all processed foods (hydrogenated products, MSG, saturated fats...), ditching all refined sugars (raw honey is actually good), avoiding all soft drinks, avoiding ionised salt (which leeches nutrients from the body) and using sea salt instead (which contains complex minerals which are actually good for you), avoiding all bleached flour products (bleached flour also leeches nutrients from the body and contributes particularly to diabetes) ...
Some health promoting foods include olive oil, macadamia nut oil (rich in omegas), foods rich in natural fibers, super foods such as super blue-green algae, a glass of red wine now and then ... ... ...
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Fri, May 11, 2007 - 7:22 AMdimi3 - thanks for the brain food :)
I could be wrong here and oversimplifying (so please take this explanation with a grain of tasty sea salt) but the idea being studied is that the body goes into starvation mode in response to the amount of calories consumed but is still getting enough nutrition so it doesn't slip into cannibalizing itself.
I'm not aware of any studies done on fasting but the ones regarding calorie restriction in chimps and fruit flies seem to indicate that there's no accumulative benefit - it's a bit more like putting the body on pause (which is pretty much what starvation mode is in some ways). Merely going above starvation level takes one off pause (and the amount of calories at starvation levels are very very low).
Regarding diets - it's not actually all just about people returning to previous habits in regards to regaining weight. Our bodies get used to being a certain weight and don't like moving from this set point (even if our set point is overweight). We can change our metabolism but it takes time and sustained effort. Fasting is actually the worst thing you can do if you're trying to lose weight because it trains you body to use calories more and more efficiently so that you actually gain more weight from the same amount of food you'd eaten before you fasted or dieted. Add in the fact that obesity changes out hormonal balance and thyroid function, and it all adds up to it being quite difficult for some people to be 'normal' weight. It's why overfeeding your child to the point where they're obese is tantamount to child abuse.
Not sure what the headaches would be from - sugar withdrawal is one thing that will do that to you though I'd think you'd be getting sugar if you were doing a juice fast that included fruit juices. Are you hypoglycemic? If you are you may want to check that out before you attempt another fast. I've never felt the urge to fast beyond a couple of days (lemon and water) and I didn't have headaches when I did so I can't offer much help other than check out if you're hypoglycemic. And perhaps consider drinking gatorade or something else that replaces salt and potassium (since you dont' want to flush your body of electrolytes since this is fatal). Personally I'd be careful about taking to many "detox" products or herb that push an organ when fasting (just my cautious take on things) since the fast itself should be allowing your body to cleanse itself. Plus, if you're taking something that's a diuretic when fasting then hydration becomes more of an issue. Personally I also consider things like coffee enemas to be a bit suspect and when used regularly they create a dependence and the bowels no longer just do their thing naturally (just as a coffee every morning can, and other natural and chemical laxatives can).
It's important to remember that our body also needs bacteria and we're symbiotic systems not hermetic ones. Bacteria are not our enemy as such, it's particular ones and the balance of our teensy symbiotic friends that are important to health. Exercise helps regulate blood sugar as well as keeping blood and oxygen flowing through our entire system, not to mention being a very important way to keep our hormones balanced. I know that David Wolfe proposes that the majority of illnesses are due to excess alkalinity but I'm not sure if it's been proven whether it's a symptom or a cause in regards to diabetes (and David's a nice guy but not all that he promotes as science is actually on the mark). Of course, if it has been proven it would be interesting to know that it has :)
There's never any harm in eating a balanced and modest diet and getting plenty of exercise - most of the harm to people's health happens when they adopt extreme diets. The fruit fly diet (what I like to call the life prolonging starvation diet) would be pretty hard to sustain long term for most people...though apparently some of the scientists involved in the study have adopted it.
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- caloric restrictions: sustained/periodic
Mon, May 14, 2007 - 5:58 PMHey, thanks for all that excellent info!
I know I sometimes appear to be skipping a few steps and may come across as if I under- or over-valuing certain aspects. It's just the way my mind works ;-)
You brought up some very good points, including stuff I hadn't considered yet.
There actually have been studies which demonstrate periodic caloric restrictions (fasts) to be contributing significantly to one's health, and how they can potentially tag on some extra years even. I had lots of info saved on this, but unfortunately it's all on a currently crashed drive :(
From what I remembered (this is some years ago already so please bare with me), the concept revolved around different types of fasts (one long one or two shorter ones per year for instance) corresponding to certain age dependent health targets. The study displayed a list of fast lengths, a list of different types of fasts (with specific aims) together with recommended age groups. The information I reviewed concluded that one could potentially add as much as 30 years to one's life if one stuck to a specific *periodic* fast regime. The earlier one started in life with periodic fasting (as little as one 14-day fast a year), apparently the better the long term results would be. Stronger periodic fasting regimes (like four times a year) offered better results. I also remembered reading that people in their 50s-60s could still add as much as 10-15 years to their lives if they started regularly fasting. I don't remember the particular details though. At any rate, this information suggested to me that there were indeed health benefits to be gained from periodic caloric restrictions. Logic of course dictates that sustained lifestyle choices, such as restricting one's calories all year and regular exercise will offer the best long term health benefits. I know I could use a bit of a lifestyle change myself. I don't drink as much as I used too, but I've got a bit of a sweet tooth (Belgian chocolate) and love to cook and eat rich foods such as pastas ;-)
I'll make an effort to try to relocate that information. Obviously I'm in need of another look myself. I'll be sure to let you know if and when it crosses my screen again.
I'm not hypoglycemic actually. My dad is though. He's the main cause of my particular interests in these health matters. He's been diabetes type-2 for like 5 years. Diabetes type-2 I've come to understand is completely reversible. There was a UCLA study a while ago which concluded that by making simple dietary and exercise choices, it could be completely reversed in as little as three weeks. This information had been floating around for a while, but no major institution had backed such bold claims as of yet I think. Well, I did put my dad on a diabetes type-2 reversing diet a while ago, and his blood sugar near completely normalised after 20 days. He slipped back into drinking too much wine and snacking however, which of course doesn't help. This sort of a thing isn't a one shot deal but requires a permanent life style change. I've got him to avoid refined sugars, bleached flour, iodised salt and other refined products though (major contributors to diabetes). I've been talking to him about cleanses as well, and am considering doing one together with him one of these days. Got any recommendations? I've been reading about gal bladder and liver flushes which seem quit beneficial (long term use of statin drugs diminish liver function). He does take regular walks. The calorie intake will take a bit more effort, and another go at the magical three week 'ditch diabetes type-2' diet is right around the corner too. Gymnema Sylvestre is said to stimulate the pancreas into creating new beta cells even... I'm looking into that more closely as we speak.
"It's important to remember that our body also needs bacteria and we're symbiotic systems not hermetic ones. Bacteria are not our enemy as such, it's particular ones and the balance of our teensy symbiotic friends that are important to health."
Agreed. It gets tricky though when our blood pH gets 'deregulated.' One factor which explains why the body attacks the pancreas' beta cells is because particular blood pH levels promote/accelerate the growth of certain bacteria in our blood. When these in turn start proliferating (beyond the cozy symbiotic level), they will start attaching themselves for one onto these beta cells, and unless something changes will eventually cover them entirely. At that point, our body starts mistaking them for foreign invaders, and thus attacks them. There is no "cure" for diabetes because it simply isn't a "disease." It's an auto immune "condition" which with a bit of good -informed- motive and effort may be completely reversed and prevented all together. And it appears that all sorts of conditions may be linked with improper blood pH. It certainly makes sense to me, given that our bodies are mostly water...
"I know that David Wolfe proposes that the majority of illnesses are due to excess alkalinity but I'm not sure if it's been proven whether it's a symptom or a cause in regards to diabetes"
Well this is interesting. I was under the impression that too acidic of a pH is bad (as a consequence of modern processed foods and poor exercise) and that they key to reversing this is to alkalise the body through dietary choices (alkaline foods) and exercise. It's certainly possible that I've got something mixed up here. All I know is that urine pH is supposed to be registering at around pH 8, and that when you don't drink enough water it will drop progressively to a lower number which is considered acidic, and thus bad. Mine was registered at a whopping low pH 2 once (which was the 'acidic' reason for my case of kidney stones said the MD). I was instructed by my MD to drink lots of water so to raise my alkalinity level. Am I mixing something up here? Feel free to correct me if I am. I'm by no means a health expert ;-)
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Tue, May 15, 2007 - 3:02 PMdimi3 - Thanks back for the excellent info in return. And you were quite right about acidity! I got it mixed up....which is a good reminder not to take anything I say TOO seriously because even I get what I know wrong ;). I need a "please consult your physician first" disclaimer! -
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- caloric restrictions: sustained/periodic
Thu, May 17, 2007 - 3:42 PMBroken link -- 2nd try
No problem at all Fifi. Humans aren't *perfect* ya know...
And I know I'm certainly no exception to that rule ;-)
On another note, oxidative stress(*) is another big-time party pooper to all living organisms, more particularly the cells which 'bind' them. Eliminate this and you're well on your way to immortality.
Of course, the only potential "immortal" state in my limited mind would be non-carbon based and 'beamable' at faster than light speeds across the universe... but that's another story or thread entirely ;-)
* A bit funny how oxygen, one of the most aggressive compounds known to man, is an absolutely crucial component to life as we know it. I mean, it kills, literally. Talk about a match made in "hell," em, I mean earth... That being said, there are some really beneficial oxygenation therapies out there as well. It all depends on what you're going for I guess.
An intersting site that popped up during a random search:
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- caloric restrictions: sustained/periodic
Fri, May 18, 2007 - 6:31 AMInterestingly enough, it's starting to look like popping anti-oxidant vitamins may actually be bad for one's health. Eh, I'll see if I can find a link for you at some point about this...it's pretty recent research. -
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- nutrition sources
Fri, May 18, 2007 - 5:18 PMSupplements are no substitutes for the real thing; straight from the source.
Tomatoes and/or tomato sauce, when subjected to certain temperatures [such as let's say on a pizza in an oven] are said to 'release' a lot of *beneficial* anti oxidants. Something to do with the temperature in particular...
Algae, and particularly super blue green algae [considered a super food] must be frozen in order to break the cells walls of the nutrient rich cells. These cells contain just about *every* single nutritional element the human body needs. There's little benefit to eating these algae raw though as the cells will pass right through and most of the nutrients they contain with them. Blending certain vegetables and greens helps our digestive system get to the nutrients easier as well.
Then there's that whole 'food combination' approach also which I'm fairly new to... That system which is about separating 'nightshade' varieties from others and such.
I look forward to that article if you can locate it.
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Sat, May 19, 2007 - 6:45 AMdimi3 - Cool, I didn't know that about algae. I'm totally on the same page regarding getting one's nutrition from food. As an aside, I always find it interesting and kind of odd that many people are hyper-critical of pharmaceutical companies but less so of those that make vitamin pills (even though that's actually largely pharmaceutical companies now). And that vitamin pills are seen as somehow benign - as if their effect in the body can only be positive. And that they're "natural" when something like aspirin isn't. -
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Sat, May 19, 2007 - 4:00 PMI hear you. Many vitamin supplements are synthesised BTW. Some of the stuff out there just 'resemles' the real deal. A dense subject...
What makes algea so special is that they're ancient, all the ways at the bottom of the food chain. This is essentially why they contain all the elements we need. Everything sort off evolved from there on...
I'm not a big pil guy, period. The pharmaceutical industry is evil, period. ;-)
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Sun, May 20, 2007 - 8:22 AMHeh, I do actually take pills sometimes (vitamin D3 and omega 3 in winter because I hate sardines , live pretty far north and suffer from SAD if I don't). That said, I agree that the pharmaceutical industry AND the supplement industry are "evil" - they're run by corporations so evil and harm to humans is just a side effect of exponential need for profit and innate systemic greed. (And this is another rant all together but this ties into my belief that corporations shouldn't be involved in medicine in general.)
Besides, I really like eating. I enjoy food, so eating well is actually not much of a chore for me (though I do enjoy French pastries...however I'm willing to risk death by eclair....and if it was a great big huge eclair that smothered me it would be kinda funny and entertaining in that "oh my god that's horrible but man is it funny" way...which apart from dying in my sleep or painlessly surrounded by love, is the kind of death I'd prefer...a good pratfall and laugh for those around me :)
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Wed, May 23, 2007 - 6:56 PM"If we eat less, our innate intelligence amps up our intake of qi when breathing."
I can see this as another -additional- potential factor... sure. The body itself is intelligent, aside from the brain. It makes perfect sense for it to switch between a variety of 'other modes' when need be to further its own survival, regardless of what the big 'command centre' decides. Logic dictates, there's always more than one choice ;-) For some reason, dissipative structures come to mind...
Hey, not all pills are bad. There are some good ones, of course.
"corporations shouldn't be involved in medicine in general"
I agree 100%. Privatised health care creates a conflict of interest too. Socialised health care isn't perfect, but it pretty much takes care of "business" in the end. It's interesting what happens when government shares an active interest in one's well being (I'm a big promoter of socialised education too BTW). In Belgium, where I am, being sick costs the government money, still. In the US on the other hand, being sick (and staying sick) makes someone money... lots of it. Not suggesting that health care professionals shouldn't make any money, but health care ought to be protected from blatant capitalistic exploitation, which it certainly isn't wherever it's privatised. Unfortunately, I see Europe heading towards privatisation of most of its social services too. Holland is now pretty much privatised health care wise. Some will claim that this will allow for more 'advanced' health care to emerge. I remain quite cynical about such claims. Money corrupts you see. The socialised health care system which I'm accustomed to has served me quite well, so capitalistic claims don't impress me. Quite the contrary actually. ;-)
I don't currently supplement myself with algae. I did use a Japanese product called Chlorella some years back. It wasn't cheap. It's quite excellent though. If you want to try and experience what algae supplements can do for your health and vitality, I can highly recommend Chlorella. There are of course also more affordable avenues to explore. Chlorella is just one of the most convenient and effective ones none the less. Look it up. They may send you a sample even.
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Thu, May 24, 2007 - 6:44 AMJohn - sorry, I can be a bit brusque at times. I don't see the need to find an additional explanation if the mechanism and causative factors have already been figured out. What's been discovered here makes perfect sense biologically without needing to account for what's going on by adding in other mechanisms. I'm not trying to denigrate your belief in chi/prana/life force, and there are probably some interesting conversations we could have around that and how it's relevant to this research :) It's just that positing it as a causative factor when it's not necessary seems more like trying to fit a concept into the evidence than accepting the evidence for what it is...if that makes sense to you? :)
dimi3 - Yep, and if medicine became just another job then it would weed out the people who only get into it for the money.
I've tried something called Chlorella before but it wasn't actually brand name so I'm a bit confused now. I'll have to look into all this more - thanks for the info :) -
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Thu, May 24, 2007 - 6:58 AMNo offence taken Fifi, you're not brusque in my book,
on the contrary, good to connect with people that
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Thu, May 24, 2007 - 7:20 AMJohn - Well I'm most definitely looking forward to sharing ideas with you then (and by that I mean listening to yours as well as expounding upon mine :) -
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Thu, May 24, 2007 - 1:30 PMAll I know is that neither one of you are to be underestimated ;-)
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Tue, May 22, 2007 - 2:51 AMIt might have something to do with our natural ability to (re)connect
with prana/chi/qi. If we eat less, our innate intelligence amps up
our intake of qi when breathing.
This also prolongs our lifespan due to us becoming more aligned with
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Re: life-extension breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Tue, May 22, 2007 - 8:50 AMJohn - nice speculation but it's not actually what's going on - no alignment with chi is necessary. What's going on is that our body goes into starvation mode (which means it turns off or down certain processes so that we go into a sort of stasis). This is a pretty mechanical process that was first studied in fruit flies who I doubt have issues around aligning with the flow or managing their chi (though who knows!)
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Sun, June 3, 2007 - 6:50 PMLooks reasonable to me. Even if people can't follow this to the letter ("They can have my cheese when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!") just having this as a reference would be beneficial. -
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Mon, June 4, 2007 - 5:34 AMYou're quite welcome.
The main thing really is to reduce your intake of refined goods. Ban iodised salt (substitute it for sea salt) and reduce your intake of white sugar and white flour as much as possible.
I hear you on the cheese Peter. Hard to cut that goodness out. Put me on a pizza and pasta diet and I'll be one happy monkey! -
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Re: life-extesion breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:37 AManother interesting article with additional links to more of the same
Toward Immortality: The Social Burden of Longer Lives
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Re: life-extesion breakthrough -- newsflash May 2nd, 2007
Sat, August 25, 2007 - 1:22 PMdimi3 - Well it seems that I may have to eat my words regarding the short and longterm usefulness of fasting! Fortunately they have no calories ;-)
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 3:25 AMLOL!
Still, it goes without saying I think that long term efforts usually offer, well, more long term benefits ;-)
Combining this with other lifestyle changes such as daily exercise, possibly combined with a 'superfood' diet, active stress reduction and plentiful hydration can only further boost one's potential life expectancy I figure. According to some stats I reviewed a few years back (sorry, no source) it is possible today even for a person in their fifties to add as much as 15-20 years total to their life. For someone in their -early- sixties, I believe I remember reading that adding as much as 10-15 years is still possible, given the right lifestyle changes are implemented, most notably: regular periodic fasting (caloric restriction). The sooner one begins, the better.
In a nutshell: the life extending benefit of (even) periodic fasting, as your linked article indicates, revolves around its boosting of autophagy. Autophagy may be summed up as the body's ability to keep cells free from damaged mitochondria (and associated toxic compounds/free radicals), and by breaking these down and recycling their components to serve mitochondria regeneration, which in turn extends cell life and consequently that of the rest of the organism as well.
Boosting this regenerative process becomes ever more critical in the long run as aged cells gradually lose their ability to adjust to stress, which is essentially what aging is all about. Various types of body cleanses and dietary supplementations (think wheat grass juice) can also help boost the body's regenerative potential, as can regular exercise of course. In conjunction, a more powerful over all effect can be expected.
Regarding what types of dietary and/or recreational and/or environmental toxins -and vices- you choose to settle with, so long the *personal* pros outweigh the *personal* cons, it's all *personally* acceptable I suppose ;-) -
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Re: life-extention breakthrough -- the mechanism
Sun, August 26, 2007 - 5:32 AMdimi3,
and let's not forget the healthful properties of a good laugh ;-) Longevity *still* has more to do with genes than lifestyle and what they're starting to uncover on that front is pretty interesting too. Apart from things being as fresh picked and organic as possible, a lot of the "superfoods" that are touted out there area scam. Our bodies generally really like moderation :-)
As for the stats, that's really conjecture isn't it? Or, at least, making a rather random generalization that I'd suspect doesn't hold much water when personalized. Personally I'm more interested in quality of life which is why I find these things interesting but, as we've discussed before, that may well change as I get older! ;-) -
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Re: life-extention breakthrough -- the mechanism
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Re: life-extention breakthrough -- the mechanism
Thu, August 30, 2007 - 11:40 PMThanks for the article!
> and let's not forget the healthful properties of a good laugh
But of course. I sorta cover this under stress reduction :)
> Longevity *still* has more to do with genes than lifestyle
Depends how you look at it. Some day, gene therapy may be able to facilitate life spans well beyond the age of 100. Right now though, regardless of anyone's genetic disposition, the average individual has more control over his or her own life expectancy through dietary and other lifestyle choices than anything else.
As the article you linked suggests, one can have a direct influence upon one's life expectancy through caloric restriction. From everything that I've read so far, caloric restrictions does appear to be the best method -at this moment- with which to extend one's personal health and life expectancy. Nothing seems to have quite as great an impact. Again, this is based on what I've read on the subject thus far.
> As for the stats, that's really conjecture isn't it? Or, at least, making a rather random generalization that I'd suspect doesn't hold much water when personalized.
Well, what the stats were indicating was the extent of what could be achieved under the best circumstances. This of course does not apply uniformly to everyone. They only aimed to represent a maximum potential yield. Sorry, I wish I could present them here for a more thorough examination, but this is all based on memory, and thus, certainly not exempt from certain degree of 'flawed' recall ;-)
> Personally I'm more interested in quality of life which is why I find these things interesting but, as we've discussed before, that may well change as I get older! ;-)
I'm far from being a *practical* health freak myself, and I very much associate with that statement ;-) -
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Re: life-extention breakthrough -- the mechanism
Sat, September 1, 2007 - 7:06 AMdimi3 - As always it's a pleasure to discuss these things with someone else who considers life a strange and interesting adventure :-) -
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Re: life-extention breakthrough -- giving it all you got
Sat, September 1, 2007 - 9:36 AMLikewise!
Life is strange, and so we -the endless lure of discovery that is life and "i"- get along just fine ;)
I'm merely speculating what types of consequences sustained abuse might have on my body in the long run, so to um, better predict how far I can push it, you know =] I really ought to be better to my body however. I know it, yet... I do spare my body from certain types of crap though, but then I overindulge in other types because I think I can. I work intensely, rest intensely, learn intensely, love intensely... Either too much or too little; the story of my life. Addicted to the rush, I think.
So what do we have so far?
(feel free to +/-)
- stress reduction
- balanced nutrition
- frequent exercise
- caloric restriction
- a clean environment
- slowing oxidative stress
- treating genetic conditions
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- a solid reason and will to live
Oxidative stress... One we haven't quite delved in yet.
Odd, isn't it? Life'
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